Wednesday, April 01, 2009

absence of the personal God

A quote...

For related reasons, Europeans seem also to be living in a postreligious fantasy. Very few go to church or think of themselves as members of a church. Hostile to the various forms of repression caused by their nations’ religious past, Europeans generally see religion as little more than a source of injustice and repression, a multifaceted affront to the person and his rights. Just a few decades ago, European intellectuals prided themselves on being full of existentialist anxiety in the absence of God—but the contemporary European claims to be too enlightened to be moved, as a person, toward any kind of illusory transcendence. He refuses either to believe in God or to be haunted by His absence. But the longings that make a person more than a merely biological being remain just beneath the surface. The person remains miserably disoriented in the perceived absence of the personal God. Peter Augustine Lawler


Anonymous said...

"apologist" is colloquially applied in a general manner to include groups and individuals systematically promoting causes, justifying orthodoxies, or denying certain events, even of crimes.

Apologists tactics include being deceptive, or "whitewashing" their cause, primarily through omission of negative facts (selective perception) and exaggeration of positive ones, techniques of classical rhetoric.

logically the very existence of apologist is a matter of great irony.

for technically according to them the scriptures being the true word of their deity, n this deity being the truth n infallible, the scripture would logically be perfect in any aspect.

logically it follows that , a perfect scripture is not something that requires any form of defending (which is what the apologist is doing).

this very action merely testify that scriptures are imperfect (therefore requiring "assistance" from apologist to defend it)

so, 2 possibilities arise

1) the scripture is true n perfect; consequentially apologist do not need to exist

2) the scripture is flawed and consequentially; apologists need to exist

as it follows, apologist do exist now and at the same time they claim the scriptures to be perfect word from their deity, this in itself is a contradiction, i would argue a perfect thing revealed as the truth is self enlightening to the dumbest human on earth and does not need to be read with "assistance" from pastors, apologists n watsoever.

the very fact that apologists are required to exist to assist the scripture says that the scripture is flawed.

don't worry i am almost done said...

I understand that for the past week or so, u felt that u r heavily under-fire, let me assure u that it'd soon be over n i will soon leave u alone, so, soon, u will not need to work so hard to keep posting new posts in an attempt to “drown” the comments i make.

U could of cos delete my comments, but as u might suspect i'll take that as an ultimate victory.

Luckily u did not indulge in ad hominem, for i take that as partial victory.

Over the past few days I merely wanted to test how much u know & how far u would stretch your arguments, n of cos whoever else that might be reading the comments will be unintended bonus for me.

I have concluded that u do not know sufficiently enough to reliably make an informed choice on the issue of divinity. (do trust me on this, i have crossed swords with enough apologists n the like, n they know much much more than you do, not just on their own arguments but also my arguments)

to be honest, i do not need u to cross over to my side, for u r not worthy at the moment, in fact u do not know enough to make either choices, to be brutally honest, i think u do not know enough to make any choice/decision regarding god's existence or in-existence.

thus i would suggest u work hard to buck up on your knowledge (not blind reading of verses; copy and pasting from other ppl & vomiting out what ever u have read elsewhere word by word n feel good abt it)

if u want to make a informed choice, least u should know what u r doing. So u need to work on it.

Of cos, i am offensive n i know that, but, there is no way not to be offensive for this kind of discussion, in the same way there is no way u can be inoffensive towards me.

I know of priests n pastors who have lost their faith, they force themselves to carry on for thats the only thing they know how to do in their lives, if not they lose their jobs. N they don't know how to do anything else. It is very sad, for they know their lives are not authentic, but they have to carry on with it.

I understand that it is not easy for u to see the truth, it is even more difficult for u to admit it, for the pressures of of society, family and peers become too great to overcome, even if u have a niggling thought in the back of your mind that what u believe in now could very well be a lie, u do not have the courage to pursue it for the implications are very inconvenient indeed.

It will take considerable amounts of courage to overcome what i see as the greed of imaginary promises and the fear of punishment from the imaginary powers that be.

Even as a agnostic/atheist i have always examined my values rigorously and consider if i have been wrong, i can “see” the other side of the equation, it's not just abt indulging in my own circular arguments for u cannot tackle what u do not understand effectively.

Agnosticism/atheism does not claim to be all knowing, it never had, in fact the ppl who held these beliefs are perhaps the among first to ask “what do we not know?” Evolution does not claim to be all knowing either, it only states what can be observed reliably through critical examination of whatever information thats available to us.

Einstein never claimed he knew everything either, the fact that he doesn't have all the equations does not make e=mc square any less true, if he stops at 1+1=2 and say he doesn't have all the answers n he should therefore give up, then there would not be any e=mc square to start with.

The theist assumes that there must *be* a purpose or meaning to life. It is not obvious that it must have one and no evidence has been presented to make the case.

Evolution not being able to give u any answer regarding the so call meaning of life will not invalidate it in anyway.

Same with atheism/agnosticism, if it does not produce anything abt the meaning of life, it cannot be used as an argument to say it's not true.

In reverse, same logic applies for religion, just becos it claims to have an answer to the meaning of life does not prove that it is valid.

My pet cat or a lunatic at a mental institute can claim he knows the meaning of life, should we then, worship to my cat or the lunatic??

u can say u have scriptures n history, n my cat doesn't, but your scriptures are written by christians FOR christians, if it is a self sustaining conspiracy there is no way of checking, the scribes themselves can be victims of lies themselves. Regardless of that, it does not change my point that is a a big big dubious assumption that truth and meaning of life goes together, who says so? Nobody except for the religious becos it is a useful link in a chain of lies.

Gravity is real also, does it tell u anything abt the meaning of life? I guess not.

Meaning to say, true things do not need to have a bearing on the meaning of life inbuilt into them.

Look, I am not being bias, but any human being that has not being indoctrinated since a child can acknowledge the possibility that religion can very well be a chain of lies (although those who invented the lie may have good intentions, but good intentions do not always translate into good consequences remember?)

from a purely practical consideration, see n think for your self how much harm has religion did to humanity.

All the killing and religious wars, unending hostility and violence, all driven by blind faith.

Humans put so much effort into believing something which is very likely to be false yet it brought much more harm than benefits, is it worth it?

Surely u can see it.

My last point is i suggest u seriously consider the possibility that you might have been wrong in a unbiased manner & u might have wasted a large part of your life worshipping something which does not exist, n more importantly it's implications on living an authentic life.

U don't need to convert to my side or any side, u don't even have to say anything to me or anyone else, u just need a moment of peaceful thinking and after that lots of work on being more knowledgeable.